Motorola Advanced System Key hacking help

iButton 1-Wire
#2

Make sure the “blanks” you bought can be written to. Sometime they can’t but it appear they were successfully written. After writing them try to read them so you know the data was written correctly.

I’m a ham radio operator so I find this very interesting. I didn’t know any radios used i-Button technology to protect them.

EDIT: I was reading more on these and found a funny story. Someone helpfully changed the “battery” in one guys i-button dongle. :sweat_smile: :joy: Of course they had removed the i-button and replaced it with a common coin cell.

#3

Try to READ the “blank” after write to it and check if the data written is the intended one.

Can you share the data/key of the Motorola Advanced System Key(ASK) that you have ? It would be nice…

Also try to programm a blank with 0C FF FF FF FF FF FF 17 check if it works …

When you read your key does it start with 0C and checksum is correct ? If not flipper might be reading less data than intended …

Also … does emulation using the flipper works on your key/system ?

#4

By the way …

DS1996 is an iButton with 64kbits (8KBytes) of EEPROM storage (256 pages, each 32 bytes).

Maybe you have a “larger” DS1996 and flipper is just reading/emulating the start of the content/key/data …

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#5

Sorry for taking so long to reply, It’s been a battle updating our fleet of Radios.

jmr: Motorola has used the iButton in some shape for many years now. The previous generation of radios, such as the Astro Saber and XTS-3000 used the iButton solely for feature and firmware updating. CPS wouldn’t allow you to do these functions without same, and it would plug into a special RIB box vs the normal one for general programming. The iButtons back then were hacked and people were able to flash any firmware they wanted, as well as any feature they wanted. I am not sure how that as achieved, but it would be cool to learn. Motorola doesn’t care much about those radios as they aren’t used or compatible with modern trunked radio systems.

The next generation of radios, such as the XTS-5000 used a “flash Zap” method as well as the iButton for firmware and feature upgrades. Although, the Depot CPS which was leaked from Motorola allowed you to make any codeplug for these types of radios, with literally any function. A popular one was FPP(Front panel programming) which was a Govt. only feature and make it like a typical HAM radio so you could directly punch in any frequency you wanted. As long as it was a type 3 radio(aka with a keypad).

The newest generation of Motorola radios, such as the APX series utilize the iButton as an Advanced System Key in a USB dongle. This allows the system admin to lock down the radio once it’s programmed. They can also make daughter keys with limited functionality to give to subscribers. It’s come a long was from the previous gen or radios that used a software system key, which was easily hackable with a simple DOS program.

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#6

I tried to upload the iButton dump here, but it said permission was denied. I uploaded it onto Google Drive, hopefully you can download it.

Thank you all for the replies. The extra knowledge on all of this is much appreciated.

(Ask.ibtn - Google Drive)

#7

Thanks for the reply! Life can get busy.

I have some Motorola radios but they are older models. When commercial was required to switch to narrow band most of their wide band radios ended up in the hands of Hams. If I remember correctly two of mine just needed a jumper moved to enable programming from the face. A couple other ones a friend programmed for me. I did get an old RIB box at a hamfest recently. The problem is serial to USB adapters aren’t very reliable to program those old radios. Most Hams I know keep ancient computers around to do the programming. Those old commercial radios are solid though and have a lot of life in them still.

#8

@Medictrode did you ever get anywhere with this? I am trying to do the same thing. I am wondering if there is a reset value in the Motorola iButtons that is throwing the emulation off.

I will be getting a reader soon to look at the raw files, but curious if you made any progress in this direction.

#9

I haven’t made it much further, although I’ve been enjoying programming radios with the ASK I have and not worrying about the expiration date that was set on it. I just need to re write the ibutton file and change the date on my computer. I ld like to do what you’re doing though, and change the code so it’s unlimited. Please let me know if you figure anything out sir.

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#10

Does anyone actually know the specific type of ibutton used for apx?

#11

i new to this… i was wandering what i need – hardware/software to do what you are trying. copy an ibutton motoro ask… could you elaborate on everything i need to do this.
thanks so much.
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#12

To start you would need at least one flipper zero…

#13

How are you able to change the expiration date? Is there a program that got leaked or are you physically changing code?

#14

I haven’t been able to figure out how to actually change the date, so any help would be appreciated. I however have the iButton saved from a day where it wasn’t expired, and I load that onto the iButton, then change my computer to said date and it works. If you just change the date on the computer without loading that days iButton dump, it will wipe the iButton once it’s loaded into CPS.

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#15

Just curious have you been able to use the flipper as the One-Wire device to read the IButton for use in ASK Administator?

#16

Hi Medictrode,
Open your iButton file in Notepad. In your SRAM Data, go to byte 97 (right after all the 55 55 55 …). Change the next 28 bytes to 17 B7 58 D4 5D 4C 57 99 40 A1 A2 88 77 CA FE 69 08 83 86 21 C6 38 E9 00 80 EB 55 55. This will make the expiration date 1/1/26.

#17

Wow! I really appreciate you looking into this. I did as instructed, however CPS isn’t recognizing it as a valid ASK. I will certainly keep tinkering though, as I am sure you’re onto something.

#18

I’m trying to edit an ASK that I have, it says in CPS I can edit the talkgroup range on an ASK basis in Advanced Keys Administrator but I don’t have the reader to do so. Does anyone know how I can emulate a reader and/or edit the ASK talkgroup range?

#19

the key/ibutton that i use is a ds1963s Flipper will not read/write it…any suggestion??? would love to copy it.!! Thanks,

#20

Do you mind me asking what SYS ID this key is for? I wonder if I can’t try to figure out what bits represent the SYS ID.

#21

3B4 is the System ID… Sorry for the stupidly long delay in responding. Thank you for the help.