Help identifying HID cards

can anyone help identify these HID cards, flipper will not read either of them. is there any way to make flipper read these cards with a 3rd party app?

  1. Try Picopass app.
  2. Uploads are allowed after a few posts, alternative is finding an outside hosting (e.g. Imgur, Google Drive, Youtube, etc).

Confirming, this sort of cards is what Picopass app deals with. It will either make a copy or assert it’s impossible.

yes, the HID card is red by pico pass, but the top card is not.